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  Clapping and singing in Conventions... like the evangelicals??

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  https://www.facebook.com/traslapados/videos/1470101566382318/?hc_ref=otherwhat do you think of this video?.

  do you think they're imitating evangelicals?is this happening in other places?

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  I'm hating myself for being bothered for something that isn't against my principles. But the reason that I and others are this is mainly because we were told this was unthinkable 10 years ago.

  Also, because my tiny hope that the GB would change something about the protecionism is shrinking as they are even more looking like evengelicals in their procedures, but the important things they should copy they don't even look at ( disfellowshipping, only true religion, two classes of christians etc.)

  There's something interesting about this issue on the songs that is similar to what happened here in Brazil. Here all the evangelicals have the custom of saying "peace of the Lord" to other evangelicals as a greeting. There's obviously nothing wrong in this but just because this was a "mark" of the evangelicals we were severely but indirectly reprimed from doing so.

  Well, after that I don't know anymore.
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  Clapping and singing in Conventions... like the evangelicals??

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  https://www.facebook.com/traslapados/videos/1470101566382318/?hc_ref=otherwhat do you think of this video?.

  do you think they're imitating evangelicals?is this happening in other places?

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  That may explain his near disappearance...

  Wow, didn't have this thought. It can very well be true.
  
  
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  Did a current or ex-JW help you to awaken?

  by TweetieBird in

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  was there something that was said to you that got the wheel turning in your brain, that caused you to start waking up to ttatt, either by a jw or ex-jw that you didn't know was awake?

  i'm trying to think of things i can say or ask of my current family members still in that may help them to start seeing the real truth about the organization.

  they think we're still in..

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  I really doubt in this cyber-age with internet and all that there's many witnesses who never came across anythings that put in check the bases for the GB allegations. As jp said, the Truth isn't the reason they are in, despite they will claim it is until death.
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  Is the org. Like Jehovah or Jesus?

  by tor1500 in

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  was thinking.

  this is jehovah's org.

  so now let's take a look at jehovah's character, he gets angry yet he forgives sometimes a lot sometimes not so much but got to admit, he always sent a warning.

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  The Org is actually much like the Mosaic law, and they are not ashamed to admit it. You can see they make more comparisons on their procedures with the old mosaic Law, even though they know and they teach that Jesus was the end of the Law.
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  Episode of Night Shift July 13th Episode

  by ToesUp in

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  did anyone watch this night shift episode last night?

  the teenagers grandfather was a jw.

  the granddaughter wanted a large growth on her face removed but lied to the doctors about her age (she was 16).

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  As a fan of House m.d I always wondered how would be an episode on the blood issue. I actually think they must've had a good reason for not doing so.

  I imagine that the episodr would be the cliché "patient needs blood but is JW so says no, House threats, destructs his/her beliefs, everything leads to the patient death but in the end he/she lives"

  what I think could be different is if House after all got to convince him/her to take blood but actually had alrady figured out a way to do the procedure no blood. Then he would throw on everybody faces how the doctrine is ridiculous. Maybe they could make an ending with the patient actually taking Blood but House agreeing to lie in the files in order to the elders not disfellowship her, and showig how the process is passive of hypocrisy.
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  Why Do People Become JWs?

  by minimus in

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  i was born in the religion but why on earth do people join this religion?

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  I was born in it too. I also don't understand how 'wordly' people go to a convention that depicts them as the trash of the creation and feel like wanting to stay there a little longer.

  I also say it sometimes to friends of mine. They usually laugh but they don't answer it.
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  Yup !

  by berrygerry in

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  remember, "acting like a prophet" is the biblical equivalent of insanity

  Excellent point. We should have this on a T-shirt.
  
  
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  The beard issue

  by Ray Frankz in

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  this is my second topic here.

  sorry for this biiig post.

  i would like to tell you guys about one of the things that bothered me most, despite of being something quite simple, but since it affected me directly, so.... well, being a ministerial servant, i knew the bad view the jw in general have towards beards.

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  Sandino Holy sht, man! They just don't think.

  they simply wouldn't listen, opting to view matters through the eyes of the spiritually weak-minded brothers in the area.

  That's the point.

  Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Rom 14 3

  This is isn't even a hard scripture to understand.
  
  
  
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  The beard issue

  by Ray Frankz in

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  this is my second topic here.

  sorry for this biiig post.

  i would like to tell you guys about one of the things that bothered me most, despite of being something quite simple, but since it affected me directly, so.... well, being a ministerial servant, i knew the bad view the jw in general have towards beards.

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  And let's not get started on Judge Rutherford!

  Let me get my scotch and two cups. After that I'll go to give a speech about the preaching work that I don't do.

  
  

  
  
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  The Biblical reasoning behind a judicial comitee?

  by CitizenofEarth in

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  i was wondering today what i would say if i ever were to be called to a judicial trial in the congregation, and my conclusion was that i didn't really have any biblical defense against it.

  so i was wondering what you guys would recommend.

  it seems far fetched to me that the bible condones a 1 vs 3 biased trial (where you already have been judged beforehand), instead of one where you have a unbiased judge, a defense and a prosecutor/accuser.

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  You should argue that Jesus never set up a comitee procedure for dealing with sinners. Jesus told that things should be solved between the sinner and the victim, just in case the sinner didn't show regret the victim could call some others to testify he's trying to solve it, if it doesn't work the victim would tell the case to the congregation in order to back his next action that is restrict contact with the sinner. It's worth to notice that it wasn't all the congregation that was under the duty to restrict association with the sinner, but only the person affected by the sin. Mt 18:15-17

  Apostle Paul went all Rutherford and put add things as if what Jesus told wasn't enough. He said in 1 Corinthians to shun a person who holds the status of Christian and at the same time practice big sins. In this case any true Christian would not be willing to associate with such a hypocritical. 1 Cor 5: 9-13

  Even this more strict rule from Paul doesn't say anything about a judicial comitee. It says very well that what should guide the "disfellowshipping" of someone was each one conscience and love for the good.

  The judicial comitee is from the old testament, but since it isn't regarded in the new, it's logically because it doesn't apply to christians.